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		<title>By: Dr. Kristine M. Severyn, Ph.D: Profits, Not Science, Motivate Vaccine Mandates &#171; The LABVIRUS.COM Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Kristine M. Severyn, Ph.D: Profits, Not Science, Motivate Vaccine Mandates &#171; The LABVIRUS.COM Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nurses win temporary injunction against influenza vaccine; Canadians suspend seasonal flu shots; firemen refuse H1N1 vaccine &#171; AAPS News of the Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nurses win temporary injunction against influenza vaccine; Canadians suspend seasonal flu shots; firemen refuse H1N1 vaccine &#171; AAPS News of the Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Reasonandjest.com &#187; AAPS on Government Medicine and H1N1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reasonandjest.com &#187; AAPS on Government Medicine and H1N1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pandemic Flu Online &#187; Swine flu: pandemic or panic?</title>
		<link>http://www.aapsonline.org/newsoftheday/00459/comment-page-1#comment-3192</link>
		<dc:creator>Pandemic Flu Online &#187; Swine flu: pandemic or panic?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ed Whitney MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Whitney MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seasonal flu vaccine for those over 65 is still recommended as usual. The H1N1 recommendations target groups at higher risk for disease and complications. Once the highest risk groups have been vaccinated, the use of vaccine can be extended to lower risk groups. Only 1% of confirmed cases of H1N1 have occurred in people over 65, and the 50 to 65 year old group has also had few infections. The CDC press release days that as the needs of the younger age groups are met, vaccination should be offered to those over the age of 65. 

The government doesn’t care? About whom? What does this mean? Does the aging baby boom generation care more about itself or about its children and grandchildren? I don’t get it. What has happened to us? I remember resenting it 40 years ago when we were described as the most self-indulgent generation in history, but now I have to wonder if that designation was not correct.  

One pertinent point: there is indeed insufficient information about the MF59 adjuvant’s safety.  That is why rigorous surveillance is needed. The New England Journal studies suggest that the adjuvant reduces the amount of antigen needed for an immune response, meaning that more Americans can be protected with its use, and that “rationing” will be less necessary. Decision making under conditions of uncertainty is what doctors (and other humans) are faced with every day. Rare adverse effects could accrue quickly if surveillance is less than vigilant. We need to monitor carefully to make sure the CDC does its job. 

The US has made the decision to outsource vaccine production, a policy that has certain consequences. We have less flexibility and autonomy than would be ideal when it comes to flu vaccine production and distribution. Little blue pills for erectile dysfunction are bigger money-makers than flu vaccines. “BIG PHARMA” has elected to invest its resources for products that bring in a greater financial return. Drugs that you need once a year don’t qualify; those that you need regularly are a different matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seasonal flu vaccine for those over 65 is still recommended as usual. The H1N1 recommendations target groups at higher risk for disease and complications. Once the highest risk groups have been vaccinated, the use of vaccine can be extended to lower risk groups. Only 1% of confirmed cases of H1N1 have occurred in people over 65, and the 50 to 65 year old group has also had few infections. The CDC press release days that as the needs of the younger age groups are met, vaccination should be offered to those over the age of 65. </p>
<p>The government doesn’t care? About whom? What does this mean? Does the aging baby boom generation care more about itself or about its children and grandchildren? I don’t get it. What has happened to us? I remember resenting it 40 years ago when we were described as the most self-indulgent generation in history, but now I have to wonder if that designation was not correct.  </p>
<p>One pertinent point: there is indeed insufficient information about the MF59 adjuvant’s safety.  That is why rigorous surveillance is needed. The New England Journal studies suggest that the adjuvant reduces the amount of antigen needed for an immune response, meaning that more Americans can be protected with its use, and that “rationing” will be less necessary. Decision making under conditions of uncertainty is what doctors (and other humans) are faced with every day. Rare adverse effects could accrue quickly if surveillance is less than vigilant. We need to monitor carefully to make sure the CDC does its job. </p>
<p>The US has made the decision to outsource vaccine production, a policy that has certain consequences. We have less flexibility and autonomy than would be ideal when it comes to flu vaccine production and distribution. Little blue pills for erectile dysfunction are bigger money-makers than flu vaccines. “BIG PHARMA” has elected to invest its resources for products that bring in a greater financial return. Drugs that you need once a year don’t qualify; those that you need regularly are a different matter.</p>
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		<title>By: AJCurtin, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJCurtin, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Southern Hemisphere flu season is wrapping up.  Argentina&#039;s unionized healthcare workers (2800) reported 175 H1N1 cases (about 6%)with 6 deaths this season.  (WSJ article 9/15/09)
If 6% of my colleagues and hospital workforce get H1N1 and 3% of them die, I think that&#039;s a concern.  There were no vaccinations in Argentina so we do not know if there would have been any effectiveness of such a program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southern Hemisphere flu season is wrapping up.  Argentina&#8217;s unionized healthcare workers (2800) reported 175 H1N1 cases (about 6%)with 6 deaths this season.  (WSJ article 9/15/09)<br />
If 6% of my colleagues and hospital workforce get H1N1 and 3% of them die, I think that&#8217;s a concern.  There were no vaccinations in Argentina so we do not know if there would have been any effectiveness of such a program.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Replogle, D.O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Replogle, D.O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it of interest that no one over the age of 64 is to receive the vaccine when it is released. Health Care Rationing for the elderly is very clearly demonstrated by this fact. Do we want physicians and patients to work together in the best interests of the patients to control health care, or do we trust a government &quot;elite&quot; to control every aspect of medical &quot;care.&quot; I don&#039;t think the government does care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it of interest that no one over the age of 64 is to receive the vaccine when it is released. Health Care Rationing for the elderly is very clearly demonstrated by this fact. Do we want physicians and patients to work together in the best interests of the patients to control health care, or do we trust a government &#8220;elite&#8221; to control every aspect of medical &#8220;care.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think the government does care.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Whitney MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Whitney MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...some type of biomedical implant with GPS potential could be slipped in either in this vaccine or during some other world class emergency that under the auspices of emercency martial law could be forcibly injected into every person in this country merely at the whims of some Health Czar...

A flu epidemic is &quot;hype,&quot; but this is reality? The CDC is emphasizing that there will not be enough H1N1 vaccine for everyone, but now we are all going to be forced to receive it?

I am old enough to remember certain hippies in 1969 fearing that Ronald Reagan would put them all into concentration camps if he ever came to power.  I have been reminded again and again of those times when I see people with posters equating Obama with Hitler and Stalin. Except they do not disappear into the concentration camps or the gulag! Nor did the fear-stricken hippies of yore. 

The annual flu vaccine is fast-tracked, and has never taken 11 years to prepare, by the very nature of the beast. The H1N1 vaccine is not the exception but the rule in this area. 

Physicians are being given information about the highest risk groups who have priority for the new vaccine so that they can give current information to their patients; no one is expected to recommend the vaccine for &quot;all of them.&quot; 

In the end, reason will prevail, but only if very determined individuals make it their business to see that it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;some type of biomedical implant with GPS potential could be slipped in either in this vaccine or during some other world class emergency that under the auspices of emercency martial law could be forcibly injected into every person in this country merely at the whims of some Health Czar&#8230;</p>
<p>A flu epidemic is &#8220;hype,&#8221; but this is reality? The CDC is emphasizing that there will not be enough H1N1 vaccine for everyone, but now we are all going to be forced to receive it?</p>
<p>I am old enough to remember certain hippies in 1969 fearing that Ronald Reagan would put them all into concentration camps if he ever came to power.  I have been reminded again and again of those times when I see people with posters equating Obama with Hitler and Stalin. Except they do not disappear into the concentration camps or the gulag! Nor did the fear-stricken hippies of yore. </p>
<p>The annual flu vaccine is fast-tracked, and has never taken 11 years to prepare, by the very nature of the beast. The H1N1 vaccine is not the exception but the rule in this area. </p>
<p>Physicians are being given information about the highest risk groups who have priority for the new vaccine so that they can give current information to their patients; no one is expected to recommend the vaccine for &#8220;all of them.&#8221; </p>
<p>In the end, reason will prevail, but only if very determined individuals make it their business to see that it does.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Gauta, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Gauta, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  This whole scenario seems to be more hype than reality.  The pharmaceutical industry certainly has a lot to gain.  I&#039;m still unconvinced that this will be the best thing for my patients, so I have not been recommending this to all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  This whole scenario seems to be more hype than reality.  The pharmaceutical industry certainly has a lot to gain.  I&#8217;m still unconvinced that this will be the best thing for my patients, so I have not been recommending this to all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Flanagan, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Flanagan, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mirabile dictu!  It takes BIG PHARMA about 11 years and two large FDA-approved drug trials (about a billion dollars in Research and Development costs) before it is allowed to market one pharmaceutical drug.  But the vaccination against H1N1 has been fast-tracked at Warp speed to combat a disease that may not even happen.  And nobody even knows if and what are going to be the side effects.

And it&#039;s not a schizophrenic stretch of the mind to imagine that some type of biomedical implant with GPS potential could be slipped in either in this vaccine or during some other world class emergency that under the auspices of emercency martial law could be forcibly injected into every person in this country merely at the whims of some Health Czar yet to be installed in our ever mushrooming bureaucracy.  If we ever lose the right of private possession of firearms, the whole show is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mirabile dictu!  It takes BIG PHARMA about 11 years and two large FDA-approved drug trials (about a billion dollars in Research and Development costs) before it is allowed to market one pharmaceutical drug.  But the vaccination against H1N1 has been fast-tracked at Warp speed to combat a disease that may not even happen.  And nobody even knows if and what are going to be the side effects.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not a schizophrenic stretch of the mind to imagine that some type of biomedical implant with GPS potential could be slipped in either in this vaccine or during some other world class emergency that under the auspices of emercency martial law could be forcibly injected into every person in this country merely at the whims of some Health Czar yet to be installed in our ever mushrooming bureaucracy.  If we ever lose the right of private possession of firearms, the whole show is over.</p>
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